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Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayoutPage::$breadcrumb is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayoutPage::$content is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayoutPage::$breadcrumb is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: ComponentKunenaControllerTopicItemDisplay implements the Serializable interface, which is deprecated. Implement __serialize() and __unserialize() instead (or in addition, if support for old PHP versions is necessary) in components/com_kunena/controller/topic/item/display.php on line 25

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property ComponentKunenaControllerTopicItemDisplay::$document is deprecated in libraries/kunena/controller/display.php on line 171

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaForumCategory::$params is deprecated in libraries/kunena/forum/category/category.php on line 212

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaForumCategory::$params is deprecated in libraries/kunena/forum/category/category.php on line 212

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property ComponentKunenaControllerTopicItemDisplay::$categorylist is deprecated in components/com_kunena/controller/topic/item/display.php on line 111

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property ComponentKunenaControllerTopicItemDisplay::$message is deprecated in components/com_kunena/controller/topic/item/display.php on line 124

Unknown Error 8192: Automatic conversion of false to array is deprecated in libraries/kunena/forum/category/category.php on line 415

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property ComponentKunenaControllerTopicItemDisplay::$messages is deprecated in components/com_kunena/controller/topic/item/display.php on line 164

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Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property ComponentKunenaControllerTopicItemMessageDisplay::$candisplaymail is deprecated in components/com_kunena/controller/topic/item/message/display.php on line 98

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property ComponentKunenaControllerTopicItemMessageDisplay::$captchaEnabled is deprecated in components/com_kunena/controller/topic/item/message/display.php on line 105

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property ComponentKunenaControllerTopicItemMessageDisplay::$thankyou is deprecated in components/com_kunena/controller/topic/item/message/display.php on line 127

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property ComponentKunenaControllerTopicItemMessageDisplay::$total_thankyou is deprecated in components/com_kunena/controller/topic/item/message/display.php on line 128

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property ComponentKunenaControllerTopicItemMessageDisplay::$more_thankyou is deprecated in components/com_kunena/controller/topic/item/message/display.php on line 129

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property ComponentKunenaControllerTopicItemMessageDisplay::$thankyou_delete is deprecated in components/com_kunena/controller/topic/item/message/display.php on line 130

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$output is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

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Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$message is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$topic is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$category is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$profile is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$reportMessageLink is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$ipLink is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$location is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

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Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$captchaEnabled is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$thankyou is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$total_thankyou is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$more_thankyou is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$thankyou_delete is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$userkarma_plus is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$userkarma_minus is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

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Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$userkarma is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$userrankimage is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$userranktitle is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$userposts is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$userthankyou is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$userpoints is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$usermedals is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$personalText is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$user is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$candisplaymail is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$config is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$ktemplate is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$topic_starter is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$category_id is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Ingwea
Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$user is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$label is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$description is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$state is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$link is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Nem elérhető
COM_KUNENA_SAMPLEDATA_RANK3

Több

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$output is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$config is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$me is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$message is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$topic is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$category is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$profile is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$reportMessageLink is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$ipLink is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$location is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$detail is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$ktemplate is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$candisplaymail is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$captchaEnabled is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$thankyou is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$total_thankyou is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$more_thankyou is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$thankyou_delete is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaBbcode::$context is deprecated in libraries/kunena/html/parser.php on line 191

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$numLink is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

17 éve 8 hónapja #356632 Írta: Ingwea

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaUser::$_app is deprecated in libraries/kunena/user/user.php on line 174

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaUser::$_config is deprecated in libraries/kunena/user/user.php on line 175

Ingwea válaszolt a következő témában: Kérdések

Ha az orkok nem tobbek egy ertelmes allatnal, akiknek nincs fea-juk, akkor az entek is csak... ertelmes fak, akikmegtanultak beszelni, es egyszeruen megszunnek letezni, ha megolik oket?

I will leave, I will leave the woods that bore me,
For our days are ending and our years failing.

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Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property ComponentKunenaControllerMessageItemActionsDisplay::$category is deprecated in components/com_kunena/controller/message/item/actions/display.php on line 68

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property ComponentKunenaControllerMessageItemActionsDisplay::$message_closed is deprecated in components/com_kunena/controller/message/item/actions/display.php on line 79

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property ComponentKunenaControllerMessageItemActionsDisplay::$quickreply is deprecated in components/com_kunena/controller/message/item/actions/display.php on line 87

Kérjük, hogy Bejelentkezés vagy vagy Fiók létrehozása, hogy csatlakozhass a beszélgetéshez!

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$message is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

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Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property ComponentKunenaControllerTopicItemMessageDisplay::$thankyou is deprecated in components/com_kunena/controller/topic/item/message/display.php on line 127

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Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$output is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

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Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$category is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$profile is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$reportMessageLink is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$ipLink is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$location is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$detail is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$ktemplate is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$candisplaymail is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$captchaEnabled is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$thankyou is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$total_thankyou is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$more_thankyou is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$thankyou_delete is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$userkarma_plus is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

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Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$userkarma_title is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$userkarma is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$userrankimage is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$userranktitle is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$userposts is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$userthankyou is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$userpoints is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$usermedals is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$personalText is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Namarie
Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$user is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$label is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$description is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$state is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$link is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Nem elérhető
COM_KUNENA_SAMPLEDATA_RANK6

Több

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaUser::$_app is deprecated in libraries/kunena/user/user.php on line 174

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaUser::$_config is deprecated in libraries/kunena/user/user.php on line 175

Namarie válaszolt a következő témában: Kérdések

Nade mi történik akkor, ha szerencsétlen megrontott tündékből lett egyik- másik? A tündéknek van feája. Vagy: lehetséges-e, hogy Melkor csak a tündék TESTÉT használta fel, a lelkük meg mehetett, amerre akart?

"ó, én vad atyámfiai, nem fog átok: elmegyek én tihozzátok"
"Gyere ide, ne félj! Biztonságban vagy a biztonságban lévők között!"

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property ComponentKunenaControllerMessageItemActionsDisplay::$category is deprecated in components/com_kunena/controller/message/item/actions/display.php on line 68

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property ComponentKunenaControllerMessageItemActionsDisplay::$message_closed is deprecated in components/com_kunena/controller/message/item/actions/display.php on line 79

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property ComponentKunenaControllerMessageItemActionsDisplay::$quickreply is deprecated in components/com_kunena/controller/message/item/actions/display.php on line 87

Kérjük, hogy Bejelentkezés vagy vagy Fiók létrehozása, hogy csatlakozhass a beszélgetéshez!

Felagund
Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$user is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

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Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$description is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$state is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$link is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Nem elérhető
COM_KUNENA_SAMPLEDATA_RANK6

Több

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$output is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$config is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$me is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$message is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$topic is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$category is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$profile is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$reportMessageLink is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$ipLink is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$location is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$detail is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$ktemplate is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$candisplaymail is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$captchaEnabled is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$thankyou is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$total_thankyou is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$more_thankyou is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$thankyou_delete is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

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Unknown Error 8192: strlen(): Passing null to parameter #1 ($string) of type string is deprecated in libraries/kunena/external/nbbc/src/BBCode.php on line 2115

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Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$numLink is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

17 éve 8 hónapja #356614 Írta: Felagund

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaUser::$_app is deprecated in libraries/kunena/user/user.php on line 174

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaUser::$_config is deprecated in libraries/kunena/user/user.php on line 175

Felagund válaszolt a következő témában: Kérdések

icke írta: Üdvözletem!

A Tudást nem lehetek elég serény átadni az arra hőn áhítozóknak =

icke

OFF: leszámítva ha az agyad zsibbad és a szemed kifolyik az egész napos irodalmazás után :quasi:

Our knees do not bend easily

Kérjük, hogy Bejelentkezés vagy vagy Fiók létrehozása, hogy csatlakozhass a beszélgetéshez!

icke
Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$user is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

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Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$description is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$state is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$link is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Nem elérhető
COM_KUNENA_SAMPLEDATA_RANK6

Több

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$output is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$config is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

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Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$message is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

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Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$category is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$profile is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$reportMessageLink is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$ipLink is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$location is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$detail is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$ktemplate is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$candisplaymail is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$captchaEnabled is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$thankyou is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$total_thankyou is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$more_thankyou is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$thankyou_delete is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: strlen(): Passing null to parameter #1 ($string) of type string is deprecated in libraries/kunena/external/nbbc/src/BBCode.php on line 2115

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Unknown Error 8192: strlen(): Passing null to parameter #1 ($string) of type string is deprecated in libraries/kunena/external/nbbc/src/BBCode.php on line 2070

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Unknown Error 8192: strlen(): Passing null to parameter #1 ($string) of type string is deprecated in libraries/kunena/external/nbbc/src/BBCode.php on line 2022

Unknown Error 8192: strlen(): Passing null to parameter #1 ($string) of type string is deprecated in libraries/kunena/external/nbbc/src/BBCode.php on line 2070

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$numLink is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

17 éve 8 hónapja #356613 Írta: icke

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaUser::$_app is deprecated in libraries/kunena/user/user.php on line 174

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaUser::$_config is deprecated in libraries/kunena/user/user.php on line 175

icke válaszolt a következő témában: Kérdések

=

icke

ignis sum quae contra frigus ardet

Kérjük, hogy Bejelentkezés vagy vagy Fiók létrehozása, hogy csatlakozhass a beszélgetéshez!

Felagund
Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$user is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

Unknown Error 8192: Creation of dynamic property KunenaLayout::$label is deprecated in libraries/kunena/layout/base.php on line 550

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Nah, köszönöm, ezt voltam lusta beírni

Our knees do not bend easily

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icke
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Üdvözletem!

Úgy volt. Csak aztán a Professzor belegondolt, hogy az orkok fëája, vagyis Melkor teremtményeinek "lelke", ha úgy tetszik, honnan is jön, meg hova is tart... Ugyebár fëát csak Ilúvatar teremthet (ez az egyik kiváltsága, mint egyetlen tényleges Teremtő hatalomnak), tehát csak tőle kaphattak volna az orkok is. Na, de az milyen fëa lesz? Tünde-féle, ember-féle, horribile dictu ainu-féle? Vagy az orkokat Ilúvatar elismerte gyermekeinek, és kaptak külön fëát? Egyik verzió hajmeresztőbb, mint a másik (már csak a következményeik miatt is, Ankalimon a hárommal ezelőtti Tolkien-kurzusos előadáson nagyon szép hosszan kifejtette őket), de mivel az orkok azért mégiscsak kommunikációképesek kellett, hogy legyenek, az utolsó - bár szintén nem kész és ellentmondásmentes - koncepció szerint a beszéd képessége mégsem kötődik a fëa meglétéhez (ez könnyítés egyébként Huan három lehetőségéhez is), és az orkoknak nincs fëájuk, tulajdonképppen különösen értelmes "állatoknak" tekinthetők.

icke

ignis sum quae contra frigus ardet

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Encsi írta: nem úgy van, hogy aki tud beszélni, annak van?

De igen, de az egyik HoME-ban (asszem talán a XII-ben) le van írva egy koncepció, ami szerint az orkok igenis állatok.
Ezen kívül igen sok (főleg etikai és morális) problémát vet fel az, ha az orkok is feával bíró élőlények lennének...

Our knees do not bend easily

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Encsi
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nem úgy van, hogy aki tud beszélni, annak van?

'Can't you see? It's coming through the wall! It's coming right through the wall!'
'A lot of things come through the wall after your first drink of scrumble. Green hairy things usually.'

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Felagund
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Namarie írta:
Encsi írta: Ha egy ork meghal, az ő feája hova kerül?

Értelemszerűen Mandoshoz, mint minden feával bíró lényé.

Khm...

Nem lefutott meccs, hogy most akkor az orkoknak van-e feája...

Our knees do not bend easily

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Encsi
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Encsi válaszolt a következő témában: Kérdések

köszi

'Can't you see? It's coming through the wall! It's coming right through the wall!'
'A lot of things come through the wall after your first drink of scrumble. Green hairy things usually.'

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Namarie
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Encsi írta: Ha egy ork meghal, az ő feája hova kerül?

Értelemszerűen Mandoshoz, mint minden feával bíró lényé. Ha arra kérdezel, hogy jó-vagy rossz sorsa lesz-e, erre nem tudok értelmes választa adni. Ha jól értelmeztem az általam olvasott szövegeket, Tolkiennél nincs az a klasszikus menny-pokol, mint a vallások legtöbbjében, igaz, egy korai elképzelésében volt szó erről, de ezt elvetette.

Gondolom, miután Mandoshoz kerül az ork fea, jó darabig ott kell maradnia, nem születhet újjá, elvégre milyen új testet is kaphatna?

ha tünde volt a szerencsétlen, feltételezhető, hogy miután akár Nienna seítségével, megtisztul, Valinorba kerül, ha meg esetleg valami egyéb lényé, akkor meg marad ott, ahova került, az idők végezetéig, aztán kivetteik a Voidba, mint szegény Melkor is. 8nme azért sajnálom, mert gonosz létére nem lehet jó helyen- ez értelemszerű, mivel tönkretenne mindent, hanem azért, mert gonosz, és így nem tud a jóban részesülni).

"ó, én vad atyámfiai, nem fog átok: elmegyek én tihozzátok"
"Gyere ide, ne félj! Biztonságban vagy a biztonságban lévők között!"

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Encsi
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Ha egy ork meghal, az ő feája hova kerül?

'Can't you see? It's coming through the wall! It's coming right through the wall!'
'A lot of things come through the wall after your first drink of scrumble. Green hairy things usually.'

Kérjük, hogy Bejelentkezés vagy vagy Fiók létrehozása, hogy csatlakozhass a beszélgetéshez!

Encsi
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'Can't you see? It's coming through the wall! It's coming right through the wall!'
'A lot of things come through the wall after your first drink of scrumble. Green hairy things usually.'

Kérjük, hogy Bejelentkezés vagy vagy Fiók létrehozása, hogy csatlakozhass a beszélgetéshez!

Alyr Arkhon
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amanibhavam írta: Elismerem, nem voltam a legjobb hangulatban, amikor a bejegyzesemet irtam, valoszinuleg ez tukrozodik rajta. Az altalanositas talan nem is Neked szolt, hanem a Kozepfolde szekcio utobbi 2 evenek, de ez is csak szubjektiv erzes. Valami olyasmi is allt mogotte, hogy atlag kethavonta lat az ember olyan beirast valamelyik topikban, hogy mikorjelenikmarmegaHoMEmagyarul, aztan amikor mondjuk leemelem a polcrol es leforditok belole par szerintem relevans passzust, akkor az jon vissza, hogy de ez ugysem relevans mert.
De mondom, elmult, elnezest.

El van nézve, és gondolom nem csak a magam nevében beszélek amikor megköszönöm a fordításokat, mert én még messze nem vagyok olyan szinten angolul hogy effélével sikerrel próbálkozzak.

"Eala Earendel engla beorhtast
ofer middangeard monnum sended"
/Cynewulf/

"Nem táncol többé pázsiton
Aranyerdőben tündelány"
/SÚ/

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amanibhavam
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17 éve 8 hónapja #355269 Írta: amanibhavam

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Elismerem, nem voltam a legjobb hangulatban, amikor a bejegyzesemet irtam, valoszinuleg ez tukrozodik rajta. Az altalanositas talan nem is Neked szolt, hanem a Kozepfolde szekcio utobbi 2 evenek, de ez is csak szubjektiv erzes. Valami olyasmi is allt mogotte, hogy atlag kethavonta lat az ember olyan beirast valamelyik topikban, hogy mikorjelenikmarmegaHoMEmagyarul, aztan amikor mondjuk leemelem a polcrol es leforditok belole par szerintem relevans passzust, akkor az jon vissza, hogy de ez ugysem relevans mert.
De mondom, elmult, elnezest.

love is the shadow that ripens the wine

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Alyr Arkhon
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amanibhavam írta: Alyr,

dehogy sertettel meg. Mindossze kulonbozik a nezopontunk arrol, hogyan erdemes Tolkienrol beszelgetni. Nem nagy ugy.

Peace

Hmmm...

Kissé túl általános következtetést vontál le abból, amit a legutóbbi írásom készítéséről írtam ide (nem pedig arról, hogy kezdettől fogva és örök időkig mit tartok hitelesnek és mit nem Középföldével kapcsolatban).

A módszerem természetesen vitatható (és kissé meggondolatlan meg nagyképű volt a közlésének módja), de az a reakció, hogy akkor "ezentúl nem fárasztod magad ilyen fordításos dolgokkal" meglehetősen meglepett, már csak azért is mert az "ilyen fordításos dolgok" nak nem csak én látom hasznát, sőt.

"Eala Earendel engla beorhtast
ofer middangeard monnum sended"
/Cynewulf/

"Nem táncol többé pázsiton
Aranyerdőben tündelány"
/SÚ/

Kérjük, hogy Bejelentkezés vagy vagy Fiók létrehozása, hogy csatlakozhass a beszélgetéshez!

amanibhavam
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Alyr,

dehogy sertettel meg. Mindossze kulonbozik a nezopontunk arrol, hogyan erdemes Tolkienrol beszelgetni. Nem nagy ugy.

Peace

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amanibhavam írta: Rendben, akkor ezt jelzesertekunek tekintem abbol a szempontbol, hogy a tovabbiakban/maskor ne farasszam magam ilyen forditasos dolgokkal. Akit erdekelnek a nem "elsodleges" forrasok, megtalalja a modjat, hogy utananezhessen...

Ha megsértettelek úgy elnézésedet kérem.

"Eala Earendel engla beorhtast
ofer middangeard monnum sended"
/Cynewulf/

"Nem táncol többé pázsiton
Aranyerdőben tündelány"
/SÚ/

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Rendben, akkor ezt jelzesertekunek tekintem abbol a szempontbol, hogy a tovabbiakban/maskor ne farasszam magam ilyen forditasos dolgokkal. Akit erdekelnek a nem "elsodleges" forrasok, megtalalja a modjat, hogy utananezhessen...

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Köszönöm a kiegészítéseket.

A magam részéről továbbra is az "elsődleges" forrásokból indulok ki (Szilmarilok és GyU, kisebbrészt HoME és angoltudásom hiányosságai miatt elsősorban ezek magyar változatai), mivel egyrészt ezek a közismertebbek, másrészt ha abba belebonyolódunk, hogy Tolkien mit is akart megcsinálni (de nem csinálta meg vagy mert meghalt, vagy mert elvetette az ötletet csak erről nem írt sehova semmit) akkor nem jutunk szinte sehová.

Az Arien dologról teljesen elfeledkeztem pedig erről történik említés az általam említettekben is.

Ha majd kész lesz amit írok (eredetileg "hiteles-e Középfölde világa" ként indult most valami Középfölde gazdaságánál tart, aztán ki tudja, és egyébként egy egyszerű eszmefuttatás) közrebocsájtom és meg lehet bírálni szépen. (legalábbis remélem, hogy lesz olyan aki elolvassa)

"Eala Earendel engla beorhtast
ofer middangeard monnum sended"
/Cynewulf/

"Nem táncol többé pázsiton
Aranyerdőben tündelány"
/SÚ/

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No - ha egy Tolkien-fórumon vita folyik, szerintem érdemes minden dolgok kútfejéhez fordulni (nem, nem Ankalimonra gondolok...).

A Morgoth's Ring kötet Myths Transformed "Módosult Mítoszok" fejezetében lapulnak azok a jegyzet(töredék)ek, amelyekben Tolkien elkezdi átdolgozni mitológiájának alapjait. Ti. elkezdte őt erősen zavarni a gondolat, hogy a Silmarillionban a teljes gnózis birtokában lévő elfek előálljanak egy alapvetően ptolemaioszi világképpel. Hogyaszondja (fordítás by me):

JRR Tolkien a Morgoth's Ringben írta: Mostanra világossá vált számomra, hogy a Mitológia mindenesetre igazából "humán dolog" kell, hogy legyen. A nemestündéknek, akik félisteni lények között éltek és általuk taníttattak, ismerniük kellett, de legalábbis íróiknak és tudósaiknak ismerniük kellett az "igazságot" (értelmük és nagyságuk szerinti mértékben). Ami a Silmarillionban stb. rendelkezésünkre áll, azok hagyományok ... amelyeket númenori és későbbi emberek adtak tovább...
... Ezen a ponton (a korai kozmogónikus részek újragondolása kapcsán) hajlottam arra, hogy ragaszkodjak a Lapos Földhöz és a Nap és Hold elkészítésének asztronómiailag abszurd ügyéhez. [...] Amikor azonban az az általános elképzelés (függetlenül attól, mennyit ért az átlagember a csillagászathoz), hogy az űrben élünk egy gömb alakú "szigeten", az ember nem teheti meg ezt többé.

(Morgoth's Ring, p370)

Később:

A Nap és Hold elkészítése jóval a tündék eljövetele előtt kellett, hogy történjené és nem történhetett a Fák halála után sem [...] Fák és virágok stb. sem lehetnének a földön, ha a lámpások ledöntése után kialszik a fény. [...] Mivel az eldák állítólag bölcsebbek az embereknél és hűebb ismereteik vannak a Füld történelméről és természeténél náluk ... legendéiknak közelebb kell állniuk legalábbis a Naprendszerről (= Arda királyságáról) alkotott mai ismeretekhez, bár azoknak természetesen nem kell valamiféle "tudományos" teóriát követniük [...] A Nap egyidős kell, hogy legyen a Földdel, bár viszonylagos nagyságát nem kell tárgyalni, míg a Föld körül való látszólagos keringése elfogadott lesz.

(ibid. p371)

Ennélfogva:

Tűz és kataklizma ideje. Melkor megzavarta a Nap járását, úgyhogy azontúl koronként túl forró, másokban túl hideg lett. Hogy ez a változás a Nap állapotában állott-e be, avagy a Föld pályája módosult, azt nem kell szükségképpen kifejteni.

(ibid. p372)

Megint később aztán már ezt az egészet úgy illeszti bele a mitológiába, hogy Melkor megkívánta Arient, a Nap maiáját és meg akarta erőszakolni, és a dulakodás miatt azontúl a Föld egyszer közelebb, másszor távolabb került a Naphoz, ennélfogva kialakultak az évszakok.

Összefoglalva, évszakok voltak, létüket 3 nézőpontból lehet magyarázni:

- a Lapos Föld kozmológia szerint, voltak, mert a valák csináltak, illetve mert Melkor (szó szerint) hideget-meleget fújt amerre járt
- a Naprendszer-kozmológia szerint, mert a Nap járása Melkor áldásos tevékenysége folyományaképpen megváltozozz
- externálisan, mert Középfölde az északnyugat-európai világkép tükre, ottan pedig évszakok vagynak

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Valahonnét rémlik, hogy amikor a valák megalkották ardát, akkot erősen beleszólt a dolgokba, perzselő hőséget, máskor fagyot bocsájtott a tájra, és ez valahogy így mardt meg a világban, kivéve persze Valinort

"Már születésem óta haldoklom,kissé hosszúra nyúlik. Unom."

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Namarie írta: És Szilszakáll éneke, aki élt Númenor bukása előtt, miért nem elég bizonyíték? (Nem kekeckedni akarok, de tényleg érdekel.)

Mert irodalmi mű, költői képekkel, ráadásul a keletkezése lehet sokkal későbbi.
Minden további nélkül el tudom (Tudnám) képzelni, hogy az évszakokat csak azért tette bele mert az adott hely hangulata hasonlított az adott évszakéra.

"Eala Earendel engla beorhtast
ofer middangeard monnum sended"
/Cynewulf/

"Nem táncol többé pázsiton
Aranyerdőben tündelány"
/SÚ/

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És Szilszakáll éneke, aki élt Númenor bukása előtt, miért nem elég bizonyíték? (Nem kekeckedni akarok, de tényleg érdekel.)

"ó, én vad atyámfiai, nem fog átok: elmegyek én tihozzátok"
"Gyere ide, ne félj! Biztonságban vagy a biztonságban lévők között!"

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icke írta: Üdvözletem!

Hát, azt tudjuk, hogy északon mindig hideg volt, több helyen említtetik a tél, mint olyan; Hithlumban tudni, hogy különösen hideg volt, télen kezdődött a Dagor Bragollach, és télidőben menekült el Beren Dorthonionból. (Na meg Lúthien táncánál kerül elő, hogy tavaszt hozott a tél után, annak megfelelő idejében.) A Túrin Túrambarról szóló fejezetben előkerül, hogy "azt mondják, Beleriandban egyre komiszabbak lettek a telek, ahogy Angband hatalma nőtt", és meg nem mondom, honnan, de valami olyan is rémlik, hogy konkrétan Melkor küldte a hideg telet.
Konklúzió: évszakok bőven voltak már az Első Korban is, és valószínűleg a valák "lőtték be", hogy mikor milyen idő legyen (hogy ezt milyen technikával oldották meg, kérdéses), Melkor pedig (lásd fent) belepiszkált néha.

icke

Ez nekem tökéletesen elég (egyébként ott merült fel, hogy vajon hányszor vethettek és arathattak egy évben). Innentől bizonyítottnak tekintem, hogy voltak.

"Eala Earendel engla beorhtast
ofer middangeard monnum sended"
/Cynewulf/

"Nem táncol többé pázsiton
Aranyerdőben tündelány"
/SÚ/

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icke írta: Üdvözletem!

Ha a keringési pálya elliptikus alakja okozná az évszakok váltakozását, akkor a perihélium (napközel) idején lenne nyár, aphéliumkor (naptávol) pedig tél. Vicces módon, ez pont fordítva van.
Link, sajnos angolul, a magyar Wikipedia kissé gyenge. A első mondat nagyjából azt jelenti, amit korábban írtam.

icke

Ebben igazad van, de a napközel is kell a beesési szöghöz, ahogy a forgástengely dőlésszöge is. Ha körpálya lenne, akkor ugyanúgy nem lennének évszakok.

A szívünk mélyén mindannyian utazók vagyunk – vagy futók./Dominic Vernius gróf(Dűne)/

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Ha a keringési pálya elliptikus alakja okozná az évszakok váltakozását, akkor a perihélium (napközel) idején lenne nyár, aphéliumkor (naptávol) pedig tél. Vicces módon, ez pont fordítva van.
Link, sajnos angolul, a magyar Wikipedia kissé gyenge. A első mondat nagyjából azt jelenti, amit korábban írtam.

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Az nem, az mondjuk inkább, hogy ez a Föld forgástengelyének a keringési síkkal bezárt szöge miatt van így. (Nem tudom, mikor ókumlálták ki, de annyira nem ősi dolog.)
Az meg igaz, hogy a köznapi háttér nagy részét remekül megkonstruálta (lásd még Ankalimon örökbecsű, mindig előkerülő félmondatát a Szövetség útjának holdfázisairól), de ugyanakkor jópár dologgal kapcsolatban kérdéseket hagyott, legalábbis az "első vonalbeli" műveket szemlélve. Valamelyik levelében talán lehet szó erről.

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Ha jól tudom, akkor a forgási tengely csak a nappalok változását idézi elő, esetleg jégkorszakot. Az évszakokat a keringési pálya, leginkább annak elliptikus alakja okozza. Azt viszont Kepler első bolygótörvénye kimondja, hogy a bolygók elliptikus pályán haladnak(amelynek egyik gyújtópontjában a Nap áll). Kepler 16-17. században élt, tehát Tolkien ismerhette.

A szívünk mélyén mindannyian utazók vagyunk – vagy futók./Dominic Vernius gróf(Dűne)/

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Az alapkérdés az, hogy voltak-e évszakok Középföldén Númenor bukása előtt. Nme tudom, de az én olvasatomban Szilszakáll dala nem átvitt értelmű, hanem valóságos, hideg télről, kellemes tavaszról, stb. beszél. Amúgy ababn teljesen egyetértek, hogy Tolkien világa sok helyütt másképp működik, mint a mi jelenlegi, meggörbült világunk. És: minden tudományos ismeret erre a meggörbült Földre vonatkozik. (Az más, hogy az ókorban és a k9zépkorban javarészt azt gondolták, hogy a Föld lapos)

"ó, én vad atyámfiai, nem fog átok: elmegyek én tihozzátok"
"Gyere ide, ne félj! Biztonságban vagy a biztonságban lévők között!"

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